Китайския 'таен' самолетоносач, наближава завършване

[Gaden Gogi]

Preдимство на атамараните е че с еполучава голам аплощ на палубата, респективно хангара, недостатък е че конструкцята е сравнително по-тежка....им аи разни бонуси като по добра стабилност и по-малка площ на ватерлинията (респективно вълново съпротивление)...но се смята че ен ептимална конструкция з аголеми кораби.

[Кухулин]

Китайско моделче на Варяг:



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[Кухулин]

Да им е честит.

[Wolfsschanze]

не е по темата но не открих такава за Индия ако модератора прецени да го премести http://www.dnevnik.bg/sviat/2012/09/...to_na_ruskiia/

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China's first aircraft carrier enters service

Церемонията: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCqJ23x9z58



Интервю по случая с Qiao Liang:

Q - Now that the aircraft carrier is delivered to the Navy, what is the meaning according to you of this historical event?
A - It is one step towards our dream of having a navy worthy of our position in the world. This dream was completely broken by the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-1895. Today, we take this first step we simply could not overcome 100 years ago.

Q - Does this mean that our navy will take a more stronger and tougher position on the conflicts in the Yellow Sea and the South China Sea?
A - We have a argot that says "If an artisan wants to refine his work, he will primarily refine its tools." When we have a problem to solve, the more you have levers or tools, the more choices you have. There is not only strength to solve a problem, it is more a question of attitude. When he must be firm do not hesitate, but do not attempt to resolve all issues by force. We must learn to switch our role between a lion and a fox.

Q - Does the delivery of the carrier means that now we hane a blue water navy?
A - No, absolutely not. An Blue water navy is not just about having some equipment. Before the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-1895, we had the most advanced equipment of the time, but we lost this war as well. A blue water navy is an army of integration, it is a global system, its capacity is expressed through a comprehensive global framework, it is not one or two devices that will do that. It is the coordination, the level of training, but most important of all, it's tradition. A navy which just had an aircraft carrier will not develop its own tradition or style, and an army without its own tradition and its own style is an army without fighting ability. This is why we must be aware that we still have a long route to go.

Q - Do you think that the carrier will reverse sea power in East Asia?
A - No, I do not think so. First, we should consider the East Asia into two parts: North-East Asia and South-East. What we need to do is compare ourselves with Northeast Asia Navy, but there is no sense to compare ourselves to South East Asia. Whether the balance of power changes or not, the most important factor is the U.S. Army. All conflicts we have now with our neighbors, we can see the shadow of Americans who continue to cause us problems. Even if the United States does not want to go to war with us, they could provide all logistical support, such as information to its allies in Asia...

Q - Can we expect arms race in the region?
A -This possibility exists of course. Every country constantly seek some degree of military advantage, and even when a country can not get the advantage, he will try to have some ability to deal...
Our country has become increasingly strong, our ascension is inevitable, we must have a military force worthy of the position and capacity increases gradually as our country as a whole is progressing, and it makes sense. Other countries, noting the growth of our military capability, will inevitably seek to reach another equilibrium, in turn strengthening their military capacity. So yes, an arms race is likely to occur, but other countries will develop their armies as well, whether ours exists or not. Finally, each country tries to defend its own interests, and to defend the interests of a country, a strong army is essential.

Q - According to you, does the use of aircraft carriers fundamentally change the level of our military?
A - No. China has already a comprehensive strong army. It will not change fundamentally that. The role of the aircraft carrier will not be so great as we expect and imaginate. It is the product of our "logistics economy", it is in order to ensure the security of the sea lanes, it is a master weapon for the command of the sea.
Today times are changing. "Logistics economy" era is gradually becoming the past, and "capital flow" is coming. "capital flow" determines the extent of a country's economic development. The "capital flow" has become the core of the economic lifeline of the developed and developing countries. So, how to be able to control capital flows, is the future of the military power of the main direction of development.
From this point of view, we can't only hope for an powerful army with carriers and heavy-duty weapons, we need the corresponding development of other military means. For example, the United States now are struggling to develop a rapid global combat system, and this system would no doubt go for "capital flow", rather than to "Logistics economy".
So we need to look at things this, and not put our destiny to one or two equipment.

Q - WIll this carrier cause more frequent monitoring from thee US, Japan, and even Russia?
A - No doubt, but it is not because of the aircraft carrier. Before we have no aircraft carriers, but other major countries have never ceased to monitor us. In geopolitics, each change even small in one country will necessarily affect the other. And we do the same for others too.

Q - Will it cause a new wave of Western embargo?
A - No, because they know a single aircraft carrier does not really change the balance of power. However, we must be aware that western countries have rallied to fight against China, this becomes a reality...
But their reactions are always conditioned by the interests of everyone, this is why when some western countries take a strong position against us, others take an opposite position. We must be careful, but not necessarily worry, the world is made as well. The only thing that every chinese must remember is that we are no longer the China of the past, weak and wealthless. As long as we don't destroy our current position no one can really mess with us and ruin us. We must recognize our new position and have self-confidence. When to be firm we must be firm, when to use force no other force should restrain us.

Q - What can you say about the air group? Its caracteristics?
A - China now has its first aircraft carrier, this is not a cruise ship but an carrier without aircraft is not an aircraft carrier. Unfortunately I can not tell you more, I can understand that you want to know more on this point, but you should not worry about it, the only thing I can tell you is that we now have our own air wings and its ability is good.

Q - What is your perspective on the formation of the first crew?
A - As you know, I am from the Air Force, I do not know much about how the crew is trained, but I am confident because even though our country has never had an aircraft carrier, the elaboration of these training started in the 80s. We had prepared for nearly 30 years for this day. The fact that we have established a long-term plan and we executed it since, gives me confidence.

Q - We do not even have fixed-wing AEW aircraft nor AW/ASW aircraft, how can we claim that it is a warship when it can not even ensure its self-defense?
A - There are more solutions than problems, you should and you could have trust in our technological development capacity.

Q-What is the level of intellectual property in the first aircraft carrier? What is its level relative to other carriers in the world?
A-I can clearly tell you, except Russian hull, the rest was done by ourselves. Since all equipment on board, through its propulsion system, navigation control, weapons control and its weapons, all are developed indigenously. You can be proud of this ability. But you should also be aware of that carrier tonnage, among other carriers of the same tonnage, its level can be described as advanced.

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Красота! Нямам в предвид Варяг, а хромираните АКМС на снимката

[a_godumov]

А въобще (да кажат морските люде) какво ще да е предимството на тази схема, в сравнение с традиционната? Освен, че, очевидно, ще се спести материал?

Изглежда по-готино. Според мен това е основният фактор, който тийнерджърът, направил картинката, е търсил.

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Адмирал Жанг Жънг - новия капитан на Ляонинг - пере много готин английски: Interview with ADM Zhang Zheng

[albireo]

Адмирал Жанг Жънг - новия капитан на Ляонинг - пере много готин английски: Interview with ADM Zhang Zheng

Е съмняваш ли се, то сега ще е един PR. Btw в тая връзка, един от еърсофтърите, който е бил на Янтай, сподели какъв прекрасен английски имали всичките моряци, с които е разговарял на кораба. Без изключение и нищо общо с масовата представа за китаец и акцента му.

[Кухулин]

Е съмняваш ли се, то сега ще е един PR. Btw в тая връзка, един от еърсофтърите, който е бил на Янтай, сподели какъв прекрасен английски имали всичките моряци, с които е разговарял на кораба. Без изключение и нищо общо с масовата представа за китаец и акцента му.

Те още с пускането си го написаха хората, ама трудно се чете: 中国首批航母舰员中有女舰员 本科以上学历军官超98%

Машинния превод разправя, че 98% от екипажа били от колеж нагоре, имало 50 доктори на борда, много жени, ресторанти и т.н. Дето викат по форумите - чудесно казино щеше да стане от тоя Ляонин, ама пуста милитаризация

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Да им е честит.

Да им е честит 50 000 тонен кораб с плоска палуба малко закривена към края, а.к.а. плаващ стадион с рампа за синхронни скокове във вода. Щото самолетоносач без авиокило все още не е самолетоносач. Е май имаше макети на СУ-33 вътре
Чудя се защо толкова ги затрудни копието на Су-33. Су-27 го изкопираха успешно, само без двигателите, а със Су-33 се мъчат вече 8 години.

[Кухулин]

Ако обърнеш внимание на интервюто по-горе, ще прочетеш, че авиокрилото е готово. Друг е въпроса, че по някаква причина го държат в дълбока секретност. Например на изпитанията кораба винаги излизаше гол, а в открито море е имало някакви тренировки със самолетите - следите по палубата се виждат и сега. Там за съжаление спотърите няма как да снимат. Разбира се, винаги е възможно заявленията да са лъжа, но се губи смисъла.

[Kramer]

Все пак ще сме свидетели на приблизително един тип съветски самолетоносач в три държави, колкото и да е критикуван.

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Ако обърнеш внимание на интервюто по-горе, ще прочетеш, че авиокрилото е готово. Друг е въпроса, че по някаква причина го държат в дълбока секретност. Например на изпитанията кораба винаги излизаше гол, а в открито море е имало някакви тренировки със самолетите - следите по палубата се виждат и сега. Там за съжаление спотърите няма как да снимат. Разбира се, винаги е възможно заявленията да са лъжа, но се губи смисъла.

Извинявай, това съм го пропуснал. Писах по спомени от преди няколко седмици, където в уикито пишеше че J-15 е в процес на изпитания, или прототипи.

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Все пак ще сме свидетели на приблизително един тип съветски самолетоносач в три държави, колкото и да е критикуван.

Ако говориш за нашият форум май не е толкова критикуван. Хората които разбират от морски работи, като Гоги например го критикуват като ударен самолетоносач. Като ПВО крайцер и "Убиец на Кораби" благодарение на МиГ 29К + Х31 май никой не го критикува.
Май единственият му кусур е прекалено голямото водоизместване. При малко по-голямо водоизместване от Шарл ДеГол носи с една трета по-малко самолети.