Чуденки

[Thunderchief]

Да ама е действащ линеен кораб, вторият морски лорд държи флагът си на него.

Демек познах
Мите тя и USS Constitution сигурно има пласмасови оръдия, ама това не и пречи да си се води като част от флота, за разлика от кораби с непласмасови оръдия, които се водят като част от музейния фонд.

[Gaden Gogi]

Или са обекти за гмуркане, А конститюсъш освен това и плува. Е можехте и с Васа да пробвате, ама онова е потъвало....
Гръмотевичко нали знаеш какво трябва да направи позналият загадката (освен да се надува)

[Thunderchief]

Нямам отде да му търся данни на Виктори

[Gaden Gogi]

Щото дори не си пробвал, има си официален сайт дори, мързел и готованко.

[Thunderchief]

Щото дори не си пробвал, има си официален сайт дори, мързел и готованко.

И после аз съм бил заядлив кат стара мома. А ти си заядлив кат две стари моми

Ordnance (1)

During Victory's active service life many changes were made to her and her armament. On naval ships the ordnance was commonly referred to as the 'Great Guns': this distinguishing them from the Small Arms.

1765: Original main armament

Deck

Number

Size

Lower gun deck

30

42 pounders

Middle gun deck

28

24 pounders

Upper gun deck

30

12 pounders

Quarter deck

10

6 pounders

Forecastle

2

6 pounders

1778

11th March: The 30 bronze 42 pounders were removed and replaced with 30 x 32 pounders. Admiral Keppel disliked the 42 pounder for the following reasons: gun crew too large; rate of fire slower and the bronze / brass guns, recoiled violently when hot).

1779

The 30 x 32 pounders were removed and replaced with 30 x 42 pounders as original. 8 x 12 pounder carronades were fitted as additional armament on the poop deck.

1780

The 8 x 12 pounder carronades were removed.

1781

2 x 24 pounder carronades and 6 x18 pounder carronades were fitted on the poop deck. 2 x 32 pounder carronades fitted on the forecastle

1783

All the 6 pounder carriage guns fitted on the quarter deck and forecastle were removed and replaced by 12 pounder carriage guns.

1788

The 6 x 18 pounder carronades were removed and not replaced.

1793

The 2 x 24 pounder carronades fitted on the poop deck were removed and not replaced.

1797

The ship now out of commission, all of the guns were removed. The bronze 42 pounders, now obsolete was superseded by the 32 pounder which had become the standard heavy gun fitted in British ships of war.


1803: Victorys’ armament when she re-commissioned after her ‘great repair' comprised:

Deck

Number

Size

Lower gun deck

30

32 pounders (long)

Middle gun deck

28

24 pounders (long)

Upper gun deck

30

12 pounders (long)

Quarter deck

12

12 Pounders (short)

Forecastle

2
2

12 pounders (medium)
32 pounder carronades

The broadside weight = 1092 lbs

1805: Victory's armament at Trafalgar was 104 guns comprising;

Deck

Number

Size

Lower gun deck

30

32 pounders (long)

Middle gun deck

28

24 pounders (long)

Upper gun deck

30

12 pounders (long)

Quarter deck

12

12 Pounders (short)

Forecastle

2
2

12 pounders (medium)
* 64 pounder carronades

The broadside weight = 1148 lbs
* The two 32 pounder carronades were removed and replaced with two 68 pounder carronades.
These carronades came from the 74 gun ship Kent.

Victory's existing iron guns
There are 12 iron Napoleonic guns remaining on board the Victory today: 9 x 32 pounders on the lower gun deck, and 3 x 24 pounders on the middle gun deck. Each are of the Blomefield pattern, designed by Sir Thomas Blomefield, the Inspector Governor of Ordnance.

It is very unlikely that any of these guns were in the ship at Trafalgar as all were removed in 1806 when the ship was repaired. From the records the existing iron guns were put into the ship on 5 April 1808 when the ship was re-arming for deployment in the Baltic, and inspected by the Inspector of Ordnance two days later.

When guns were put into a ship, a record was made of the manufacturers name and the gun's individual number.

Manufacturers names, in the abbreviated form, were generally marked on the left trunnion. The 12 iron guns have the following marks:

W.Co. - Walker & Company, of Rotheram, Yorkshire.
H.Co. - James Henckle & Company, Wandsworth, London
ACB. - Alexander Brodie, on the River Severn

Ten of the eleven iron guns, cast by Walker & Company, are fitted with copper vent bushes, an innovation that was intoduced after Trafalgar. Guns fitted with copper vent bushes are stamped 'CVC' on top of the cascable. The twelfth gun, the 24 pounder sited near the entrance of the Victory Gallery, Royal Navy Museum, cast by Alexander Brodie has an iron vent bush.

The dockside guns
The 21 guns sited on the dockside around the Victory are short barrelled 32 pounders made during the reign of George III, but were not issued until after his death. These guns, dated either 1847 or 1848, most were manufactured by Henckle & Co. were used as the saluting battery on board the Victory when she was moored in Portsmouth harbour. These guns fired the salute to Queen Victoria on the occasion of her Coronation and also fired when her funeral Cortege passed HMS Victory on its way from the Isle of Wight for her burial. All these guns were removed from the ship in 1922.

Technical data of the 32 pounder smooth bore gun
The 32 pounders on board HMS VICTORY are long pattern Blomefield guns, designed by Sir Thomas Blomefield, Inspector General of Ordnance, at Woolwich Arsenal. Guns of this form were manufactured between 1780 and 1822. As all are cast with the cypher King George III, they would all have been made before 1820.




The length of the gun, 9ft 6ins (2.90 m), is always measured from the rear of the base ring to the face of the muzzle. The overall length including the cascable is 10 ft 3.3/4 ins. (3.14 m) Guns varied in length during the 18th and 19th centuries, some 32pdrs were 9ft long (2.75 m)with a calibre of 6.41 inches (16.3 cm). Windage, the difference between the diameter of the shot and the diameter of the bore, is 0.198ins (0.05 mm). The weight of the gun is normally stamped on the bottom of the breech. Weight is given in cwt. (hundredweight), qtr. (quarters), and lbs. (pounds) e.g. 54. 15. 10.

Diameter of Vent (the touch hole)

0.22 ins

(0.05 m)

Shot weight

32 1bs

(14.4 kg)

Range - Point blank

400 yds.

(364 m)

Range - 1 degree elevation

820 yds.

(746 m)

Range - 2 degrees elevation

1,200 yds.

(1.092 m)

Range - 3 degrees elevation

1,500 yds.

(1,365 m)

Muzzle velocity

1600 feet per second.

(485.3 mps

Penetration of solid shot through oak: at 400 yds (364 m)

up to 42ins

(106.7 cm)

Ditto at l000 yds (910 m)

up to 31.½ ins

(80.0 cm)

Rate of fire; approximate.

1 round every 2

minutes

Recoil distance – restrained with standard charge

Approx. 11 ft.

(3.35 m)

Recoil distance – Unrestrained with full 32 lb proof charge (recorded under experiment)

50 ft 2 ins.

(15.30 m)

A range table dated 1860, (produced at the naval gunnery school H.M.S. Excellent), shows that given an elevation of 8 degrees, the 32 pounder had a maximum range of 2600 yds (2,366 m). In 1805 the maximum elevation was governed by the vertical size of the gun port and limitation of the carriage, however greater elevation could be achieved by removing the rear trucks (wooden wheels).

The iron barrel was painted with a black composition to comb it from rust.The original formula for this was: "To one gallon of vinegar add a quarter of a pound of iron rust, let it stand for one week; then add a pound of lamp black and three quarters of a pound of copperas; stir it up at intervals for a couple of days. Lay five to six coats on the gun with a sponge, allowing it to dry well between each application; polish with linseed oil and soft woollen rag; it will look like ebony."

As these guns are fitted with copper vent bushes, (a liner screwed into the vent to avoid erosion from powder gases when the gun fired) it is likely that all were manufactured after c.1813 when copper vent bushes were first introduced. Guns fitted with copper vent bushes were stamped CVC, and those with iron bushed IV. These marks are found on the top of the of the cascable. Later guns fitted with copper bushes were not marked.

The makers marks are on the left trunnion. On the right trunnion is the gun number, also there is inscribed a vertical line which, used with a plumb line, the gun could be layed horizontally or levelled.

A wooden stopper called a tompion was kept in the muzzle to prevent moisture entering the bore when the gun was not in action.


Предварително казвам че ако някой иска резюме на български може или да си го драсне сам или да изтрие текста

[De Ruyeter]

между другото сещам се и за още един английски линеен кораб, макар и музеен - първият брониран кораб /мореходен/ - Уориър.

[popay_the_sailor]

http://www.hmswarrior.org/

Айде да погледкате, ама май съм го пускал в Криле :sm186:

[messire Woland]

Тези снимки ги видях на един друг форум, но пускам загадката тук (къде съм ги видял ще постна когато корабът бъде познат). Та, що за корабче е това и въобще ... като видите снимките ще разберете и върпосите ми:

[Thorn]

Esminec s ogromni dinamo-reaktivni orqdiya na Kurchevskii. 305 mm. A snimkite mai sa ot edna kniga na Shirokorad.

[Sailor_Malan]

Намерих я, намерих я
И понеже съм добричък - търси се едното от двете имена на кораба, което и да дадете се счита за верен отговор

[Gaden Gogi]

По моему това е фрегата тип Captain,сега коя точно от 78-те не се наемам да гадая

[Sailor_Malan]

Уви не е. След малко мога да кажа и откъде е другото му име . Или може би оръдията ще го издадат.
Жокерче - на снимката кораба е тръгнал към британска база ползвана срещу нещо от друга държава имаща нещо общо с кораба

[Gaden Gogi]

Ескортен миноноисец тип Cannon или Edsall

ако съм прав това може да е някой от предадените/продадените след ВСВ което обяснява споменатите две имена

[Sailor_Malan]

Не си съвсем прав, но си мнооооого близо

[Gaden Gogi]

Остава да е тип Buckley, ама тези боклучки имат практически еднакъв външен вид, различават се основно по машините
иначе ако този път съм бил прав това трябва да е един от 46-те предадени на англия.
И ако съм прав ще ти дърпам ушите като се видим по съвсем простата причина че тези кораби в британският флот са известни като "фрегата тип Captain" а типът Buckley спада към втората група такива, първата са тип Cannon или Edsall