1ви Български мод за MTW

[gogo t]

Аз открих, че Маглавити са се наричали катафрактите в по-късен перйод от време !
А за технитарите четох че са били занаядчии .... нещо да кажете по вапроса !?!
Dibo ги предложи нека да изясни, защото той има доста знания и може да обясни !
Ккто върви ще пусна мода (v1) без музика а (v2) ще е със музика щото засега имам едно парче, едно за което незнам какво мислите и тук се изчерпвам :argh:
Да знаете нещо за Волжка България | единици | а другато го знам, или за куманите за тях нищо не знам :sm186: май са азиатци и са се намирали на териториите на днешо Румъния :sm186: :sm186: не са христяни ( май не са и мюсюлмани ). Волжките българи са мюсюлмани, залагат много на Тежка конница, начело е Хан ( Khan защо го учим ХАН като е КАН :shrug: ) Столица Казан, доста добре развити са в културно отношение и това е ...... :nut:

[gogo t]

Ето как ги виждам
Bg tension 1 - edna pesen ot Kingdom of heaven [15. Harry Gregson-Williams - Wall Breached]
bg mobilize1 - http://www.eamci.bg/sounds/02%20The%...%20Soldier.mp3 - tova e kato se tragne za boq [ ve4e si podredil voiskata i trgvash da se odarite ]
bg battle 1 - elit-zazprqvane i moje onaq deto e v arxiva gore
bg win 1 - Dunavsko horo

[Nike]

Ухаа, тука нещата вървят добре!
Etx, ти май спомена, че имаш инфо и най-вече картинки на воини. Би ли могъл да постнеш каквото имаш тук или ако не - да ми го пратиш на nike86@gmail.com за мода, за който писах по-горе? Абсолютно всякаква информация (особено пък подкрепена и с ист. аргументи и факти) за възможни български единици би ми била полезна. Най-малкото, че България би била по-добре представена в този international мод! Ще си позволя да използвам и другите идеи за единици, споменати тук.
Само едно нещо: Защо технитарите са военна единица? Доколкото знам, технитарите са били нещо като художници и занаятчии, най-много да са строители или инженери (на обсадни оръжия). Но въоръжени войници...

[gogo t]

Ухаа, тука нещата вървят добре!
Etx, ти май спомена, че имаш инфо и най-вече картинки на воини. Би ли могъл да постнеш каквото имаш тук или ако не - да ми го пратиш на nike86@gmail.com за мода, за който писах по-горе? Абсолютно всякаква информация (особено пък подкрепена и с ист. аргументи и факти) за възможни български единици би ми била полезна. Най-малкото, че България би била по-добре представена в този international мод! Ще си позволя да използвам и другите идеи за единици, споменати тук.
Само едно нещо: Защо технитарите са военна единица? Доколкото знам, технитарите са били нещо като художници и занаятчии, най-много да са строители или инженери (на обсадни оръжия). Но въоръжени войници...

И аз питам, а ти можеш ли да ми кажеш адреса на вашия форум и аз искам инфо за някои неща . Има ли предложения за единици на Волжките българи ?
Etx, ще пи пратиш ли и на мен georgi_tushlekov@abv.bg

[gogo t]

Сега търсих бъгове и открих само един - Византиец с портрета на Калоян
:x и това е нормално щото има 1 папка дето се слагат портрети на Православните царе и играта си тегли ликовете от там :sm100: Затова мисля да ги махна .
Музиката я пробвах ( само на елит -bg battle 1 ) и има някакво чувство сякаш е невъзможна да загубиш :tup: щом са биеш "за Болгарско име, мила моя ..." . Начи направих един поход до Цариград и го превзех. Водех 960 души ( царя също той е с Катафракти,2kata. ; 2 cuam horse archers;2cuamn;2druj;1kopienostzy;5Tzarski voyskari ) !
После дойдеха византийците със ~900 души ( императора и 2ма сина=цялото сем. ) разбих ги и убих всички наследници в резултат се появи някаква държавица на възстанници която се намираше на БИВШИТЕ виз. земи Гърция и Никея ( Турците ги бяха погнали и може би затова императора дойде да си върне Царигард ) Аз завладях и гърция и напрактика целия П-в а турците Мала Азия ! Това е музиката която те кара да побеждаваш

[Nike]

О, аз не съм ли дал линк към форума им? Моя грешка! Е, това е, само дето от известно време не е много активен. Гледам, че само вчера ръководителя на проекта е постнал двамата отговорници за регионите. А аз не съм се регистрирал там, защото формално не учавствам в мода, а просто помагам на единия отговорник за набиране на информация. Въпреки, че нищо не пречи да се регистрираме, де.
А иначе, за малкото инфо, което съм събрал досега, директно ще постна тук част от писмата (на английски), които съм пратил на Полак (отговорника):



"Hello, Polak_966!
Now, I made a small research, but there aren't many sources or analyses about the structure (as of "unit type" sense) of the Bulgarian army from the time of the early Second Empire. Especially about the Bulgarian troops. That's why I'll start with whatever I've found about the main mercenaries, being used:


1. Kumans - light cavalry, "constant" mercenaries and allies in this exact time (it seems they were taking part in all battles, as if they were even a normal part of the BG army). I found an article specially about them, which includes some reports of their way of fighting, which is, in a nutshell, "shower the enemy with arrows, retreat and make him pursue you, continue shooting at him, while retreating, turn back and strike, then retreat and continue the same; eventually, lead him to a deadly ambush". The same tactics was used (and was extremely successful all the time) in the battle of Adrianople on the 14th of April 1205 and, of course, we all know how the battle ended. If you want, I could later make a relatively brief description of the battle, which concerns your topic greatly (especially since the Latin emperor himself was captured and "the colour of the western chivalry died", as a chronicler says) and I also have a plan of the battle on Bulgarian.
Now, about the Kuman armament: as I said, they're only light cavalry with absolutely no metal armament, eventually only a sharply-pointed helm, combined with their typical hat. As Rober de Clary notes about the battle at Adrianople: "When the men from the army saw the Kumans, dressed in fur-coats, they didn't got frightened and payed them no more attention than they would to some company of children. The Kumans and the people came with a very fast pace, charged at the French, killed many and crushed everyone in this battle." So, basically, they were "armoured" only with "jackets of sheep sking" (which helps for their great mobility), as Nicetas Choniates says. Their weapony, according to the same chronicler, is: "Because their weaponry consists of a quiver, hanging across the flank, from curved bows and arrows. And there are also some, which are waving spears in battle." [Note: On Bulgarian the word for "spear", "lance" and "javelin" is one - "kopie"]. And also: "... And the rest drew close and awaited the riding against them Romeans, as they started fighting the way their fathers usually did. They attacked, at one moment by shooting arrows, at other - by striking with spears. After a short time they changed the attack into a retreat and caused their enemy to pursue them as deserters. And again, faster than the birds, which cleave the air [Kuman cavalry is famed among the fastest cavalry of all, afaik], they turned around, facing the coming against them enemies, and they entered fight, by fighting much more bravely. They repeated this many times, so they got the upper hand and no longer thought about turning back, and as they drew out their swords, they gave some horrible cry and attacked the Romeans faster than the thought. They reached at the same time both those, who were fighting, and those, who were frightened, and they started mowing them down…"
So, basically, the Kumans were light cavalry, without metal armour, armed with bows and arrows or with spears/javelins, as primary weapons, and with swords, as secondary weapons for close fight.



2. Vlachs/Wallachians – it's known that at that time tsar Kaloyan called himself in his messages to Pope Inocent III "emperor of Bulgarians and Wallachians". It's not quite sure if this was meant as division of Bulgarians from the ex-theme Bulgaria (in the west) and the former Byzantine theme Paristrion (in Northern Bulgaria, Moesia) or was it just, so that Kaloyan could claim to rule over many nations. And it's still disputable if Wallachians was used as an ethnic term (as modern day Romanians so tenaciously claim) or as a "job" – almost all of the ethnic Vlachs were living in the mountain areas (the Balkan and others to the south) as shepherds and in time, the name Vlachs was put to use for all the mountaineer shepherds. In any case, the use of Vlach infantry troops could be considered, altough nor mercenaries. If yes - definitely light infantry, somewhat stronger than simple peasants, maybe spearmen or something like that (that always reminds me of the shepherds crooks and the story how similar curved, but iron, things were placed on the top of the spears in the battle at Adrianople and the low-manoeuvrable knights were easily brought down with them)…


3. The Kumans were our main and "usual" allies and mercenaries at this time. But there are also some reports of use of various others, although not so often. F.e. in the ripening of the war between Bulgaria and the Latins, tsar Kaloyan was negotiating with the Kumans and with the Seljuk Turks, but, afaik, the last ones didn't take part in any battle. But later (especially if the time period continues longer) there are some others, like Tatars (mostly after the middle of the century), Alans etc.
Here's a description of the people, gathered at the siege of Thessaloniki in 1207 (right after the deat of Bonifatius Monferato (spelling?) and before the death of tsar Kaloyan at the very same siege), as written in "The deeds of St. Dimitar of Solun/Thessaloniki":

"With an irresistible onseal, he (Kaloyan) marched towards Solun [Thessaloniki], as he lead a warriorhood, more numerous than the sea sand: Bulgarians, Kumans, Tatars, Khazars, Greeks, Alans, Russes - descendants of all kins, which the northern land has raised...
There were "streltsi" (стрелци; archers), "kopienostsi" (копиеносци; spearmen), "shlemonostsi" ( шлемоносци; helm-bearers), "shtitonosci" (щитоносци; shield-bearers), "prashkari" ( прашкари; skirmishers, slingers) and all other kinds of soldiers."
Unfortunately, they don't mention these "all other kinds of soldiers"…

For the mercenaries, I have to check also one monograph, called "Malcontents and adventurers in medieval Bulgaria" in its second section " "Barbarians", mercenaries, "men of blood" …", which includes the following articles:
1. "Scythian" warlords in the "fields of Bulgaria" (XI – XII c.)
2. "Varangians", Normans and Englishmen on Bulgarian soil
3. Russian "brodnitsi", political refugees and commanders in XII – XIV c.
4. Commanders and allies Kumans, Tatars and Alans in the Second Bulgarian Empire
But that monograph isn't very small, so I won't be able to check it right now…


So I can give you, at least for now maybe, only some general info about the Bulgarian army from other sources. One of them is an article about the army of the Second Empire, which, however, also doesn't exactly give any "unit types". It segments the army on four parts:

1. Ruler's forces
2. Forces of the greater nobles
3. Militia
4. Mercenaries



1. Ruler's forces – a group of professional warriors, on the ruler's payment. Probably a part of them were the Tsar's Guard and a part or the whole of the garrison of the capital. With the best armament, the bigger part of them was heavy cavalry. It's also possible that a part of them might have consisted of foreigners (like the Varangian guard in Constantinope f.e.)

2. Forces of the greater nobles (sevastokrators, despots and other) – similar to the tsar's squad, although here there were probably less professional soldiers and more conscripted by mobilization, battle-tested people. The armament was given by the nobles. A part of the aristocratic forces was coming also from the pronoias. So, personally I, if I have to, I'd separate this part to the pronoiar cavalry, you already mentioned, and heavy cavalry (or maybe infantry) of the nobles squads, close to the tsar's (note also that sevastokrators and despots were quite often relatives of the tsar).

3. Militia – In bigger campaigns or great dangers there was, of course, massive conscription. These here are the normal people, infantry, with not so good armament, as the noble's and tsar's troops. Just the normal soldier, where I'd put also the normal units, as the above mentioned archers, spearmen etc.

4. Mercenaries – Widely used; large detachments or whole armies, which came on service with their own weaponry, armament and horses. The mercenary forces of Kumans, Tatars, Alans and later also Turks, gave the state the so needed horse archers, a type of troops, which in the 13-14 c. greatly decreased its presence in the Bulgarian army. It's possible that there were also western mercenaries (mainly heavy infantry and crossbowmen), especially in the later periods. The archaeological data, as well as miniatures and wall-paintings give examples for the presence of western armament and weaponry in the Bulgarian lands, which could've came not only by trade, but also with its owner.



In the same forum thread, where this article was posted, there was the opinion of two forgotten types of forces: the akrits and the corps of the foreigners, living in compact masses in Bulgaria. For the latter – they were mainly after the middle of the XIII c. when the Kumans were pushed out by the invading Tatars and most of them migrated to Bulgaria, Hungary and Poland. In that time, there are also other foreigners, like Russians (it's believed there were many Russian refugees) f.e. But I guess that's too far ahead in time. So, what I found for the akritas is that they were a special population, serving only as border guards in the border territories. If there's such a unit, I'd suggest they would be some kind of archers.



And in another forum, there was another somewhat helpful on this topic post, which briefly said:
"1.Weapons used by the medieval Bulgarian army: Axes, maces, spears, bows and arrows, short swords.
2. Main partitions and tactics:
Heavy cavalry, equipped with a long lance, shield and an additional melee weapon (chosen by the warrior – axe, mace, sword) chain-mail. Strikes the main blow on the enemy and surrounds his formation.
Light cavalry, equipped with bow and arrows, short javelins, shield, leather or chain-mail armour. Well trained and successful in engaging also in close combat. Weakens the enemy with arrows and supports the heavy cavalry.
The militia is mainly the bulk of the infantry. Spearmen and archers. The Bulgarian archers were also equipped with small shields and swords, so that in harder battle they could enter close fight to support the spearmen."
How true is that, I can't say, but it's worth taking note of it.

Now, from another book (children's history, but still…) there's a special chapter for the martial art, but I'll translate parts of it and send it to you in another letter (I fear this one might have got too big). And in the next letter I might also be able to send you scanned pics of it and maybe some artwork I've found so far…



Regards,

Nike








Hello again!

This is a second letter, because I think that Hotmail doesn't have a lot of storage space and continuing the previous letter could make it too big. So, I'll try to be more concise here.



First, I'm sending you several links to a few pictures, which, even if not completely accurate, are at least a nice artwork and might be of interest to you.

http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/NikeBG/Vladeteli%20na%20Bulgaria%20-%201997/?action=view&current=Page30.jpg

http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/NikeBG/Vladeteli%20na%20Bulgaria%20-%201997/?action=view&current=Page33.jpg

http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/NikeBG/Vladeteli%20na%20Bulgaria%20-%201997/?action=view&current=Page36.jpg

http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/NikeBG/Vladeteli%20na%20Bulgaria%20-%201997/?action=view&current=Page37.jpg

http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/NikeBG/Vladeteli%20na%20Bulgaria%20-%201997/?action=view&current=Page29.jpg

http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/NikeBG/Vladeteli%20na%20Bulgaria%20-%201997/?action=view&current=Page38.jpg

Unfortunately, so far I haven't found real and better models of Bulgarian soldiers from that time. Unless, of course, you would like to see some chronicle miniatures! If I find something, I'll let you know.



And here are the two chapters from that children history book:

http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a71/Nike_Raido/Detska%20Iliustrovana%20Istoria%20na%20Bulgaria%20-%201995/?action=view&current=Page-70.jpg

http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a71/Nike_Raido/Detska%20Iliustrovana%20Istoria%20na%20Bulgaria%20-%201995/?action=view&current=Page-71.jpg

http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a71/Nike_Raido/Detska%20Iliustrovana%20Istoria%20na%20Bulgaria%20-%201995/?action=view&current=Page-64.jpg

http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a71/Nike_Raido/Detska%20Iliustrovana%20Istoria%20na%20Bulgaria%20-%201995/?action=view&current=Page-65.jpg

The last two are from the chapter for tsar Kaloyan and there you could see also a plan of the battle of Adrianople. There's also the text of the chapters, but I believe you can't read Bulgarian, can you? And right now I don't think I can translate all of it, maybe some time later…



I hope this has been of some help to you! If you need something exactly or have any questions, just tell me!
Nike



P.S. I have some questions: What's the time period – from 1204 till when? Do you have some units, which I could eventually adapt? Hmm, I had some more questions, but I seem to have forgotten them… Oh, well, there's always tomorrow…











Hello!

I managed to translate a few things from the links I gave you in the previous letter:


"The old-Bulgarian word for soldier is "voyak" [never heard of it]. The rulers had "chosen warriors" - the tsar's bodyguards, which perform also special missions. Part of the soldiers were under the command of different bolyars [Bulgarian term for the higher of the nobles], other performed garrison service in the castles.
The army was divided simply to cavalry and infantry, whereas the infantry was more numerous. In most cases the tsar led his army personally. Famous strategists were tsar Asen I, Kaloyan, Ivan Asen II.


Usually the battles between Bulgarians and Romeans followed the same path. In front of the drawn in squares troops came out the "prashniks" [skirmishers] - they threw ahead "battle balls" with a diameter from 2 to 13 cm. After this the enemies showered each other with arrows, which inflicted heavier casualties. But the real fight begins when the distance between the two armies reached one reins length and the spears get into action. With swords and maces was being made the breakthrough, which decided the outcome of the battle, after which a pursuit with the cavalry took place.


Armament
The main offensive weapon was the bow and arrow. Most used was the "reflex" bow, which gave additional acceleration to the shot arrows - up to 400-500 steps. The arrow tips (from 1,6 to 7 cm.), made by tempered iron, were leaf-, rhomboid-, three-winged- or pyramidal-shaped, according to the character of fighting.
With spears was armed both the infantry and the cavalry. The long spear reached 4 metres length. It was wooden with an iron blade at its end. On the top of it sometimes was attached an iron hook - with it, the Bulgarians drew down from the horses the heavily armed knights. Preserved are images of soldiers, which hold standing spears with waving at their tops small triangle flags - these are probably the so called "mazhdratsi", mentioned in our folklore songs. In the XIII c. entirely iron spears appeared - "sulitsi". The short spear (up to 2 m.) was being thrown against the enemy.
Strong offensive weapons were the two-edged sword and the sabre. Often the chronicles mention squads of "sekironostsi" [axe-bearers] - with battle axes was led mainly the melee fight. A close-fight weapon was also the mace.
The defensive armament was traditional - shield, helm, armour (chain-mail, scale armour or plate/forged armour).
The military actions were often brought to prolonged sieges or defences of strongholds. That's why special equipment was made - assault ladders, hand or mechanic arbalests ("samostreli" and "tsagri"), stone-throwers, mobile siege towers, battering rams and others.
In 1366 for the first time is mentioned the use of gunpowder weapons in our lands - Amadeo of Savoy bombarded Nesebar with the so called "bombards" (guns, placed on his ships)."
And I guess I had forgotten also the siege machinery - there are also accounts for the use by tsar Kaloyan (short before the fall of Constantinople) of a huge siege tower during the siege of Varna. It was wide as the moat and high as the city walls, so in the same time eliminated both and thus Varna was captured for only 3 days. I think there was also another weird siege weapon, but I can't find the reports of it!


That's all for today!

With regards,

Nike


P.S. Btw, I hope that in the mod, the western knights won't be made like the popular, but later with a couple of centuries, version, used so often in the movies! And actually, if it isn't a problem, of course, I'd be happy to see more about the mod, its current progress etc. Is there a forum somewhere about it?




Hello again and another sorry for another late answer!
Now, I did a little more search, but I should note that things aren't absolutely sure in Bulgarian history. Especially concerning structure of the medieval army. But briefly said, it pretty much copies the Byzantine structure, and in many cases even posts and titles bear the same Greek name. I found one thing, concerning to some degree the medieval army, where you could make the same conclusion. Here is the link (especially after the middle): http://www.geocities.com/egfroth1/Bulgarians

I stumbled also upon one thread in a forum, called "Warriors of East Europe in XIII-XIV c.". It's actually mostly about Russian and Lithuanians, but at the page I'll give you a link to, there's also a post about Bulgaria. And the guy, who posted, says he made something about some game-mod, so I'll contact him and ask him, if he could help your mod too somehow. And btw, the other info in that thread might also be helpful to you or those, who take care of the Russian region. Here is the link (the BG post is in the middle):
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...=asc&start=255

Unfortunately, finding good pictures of warriors is really hard. All I keep finding is mostly art-work, which isn't fully sure how accurate it is. And even if there are good reconstructions of warriors from this time and place, they're either very well hidden or they're payed. F.e. I believe there are some in the Osprey books, but I can't afford to buy some and in those, which I can download freely there are none about Bulgaria. Anyway, I scanned also some more of such free art-work. I hope they might be also of some (at least a little) help to you:
Kuman horsemen
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a71...aido/DEB-2.jpg
The battle at Adrianople
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a71/Nike_Raido/DEB-3.jpg
The battle at Klokotnitsa
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a71...aido/DEB-4.jpg
Tatar horsemen
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a71...aido/DEB-5.jpg
The peasant King Ivailo
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a71/Nike_Raido/DEB-6.jpg


That's all for now. I'll keep on searching!

Sincerely,
Nike





Hello, Polak!
First - yes, I'm absolutely sure that "hora" (with the accent on "o"; btw later "hora" became the modern word for "people") was the term, used to designate a type of province in the time of the Second Tsardom. There is one document from the middle of the XIII century, which mentions some of these horas (it's called the Dubrovnik charter or Дубровнишка грамота). And, actually, some friends of mine made a relative administration map, according to the mentioned regions in that charter. If you want, I could send it to you...

Second, I myself am not so sure what the shield- and helm-bearers exactly are. It's obvious that they had shields or helms, but are they something like squires or something else, I can't exactly say. It seems that the medieval chroniclers portrayed the army differently than we would and weren't much into the details.

...

Fourth, the Bulgarian post in that thread, I gave you a link to in the previous letter, is in the middle of the 18th page. It's posted by Thracian, who btw actually seems to have done the same work for a game mod. And could you guess which mod of which game? It seems he has researched for some time exactly on the same mod you're working on. But he says that the project leader, Dark Zenith or something like that, got lost, so he was quite surprised to hear that I'm asking him for this very same mod! I gave him your email (I hope you don't mind), so that he could contact you directly. And he also sent me a Word file with what he's done (including some pics). But that file is around 3,5MB, so I'll send it to you in a separate letter, because I don't know if Hotmail has enough space to receive it.


I hope I could be of more help,
Nike"


Съжалявам, ако съм прекалил с "флууда", още повече, че не съм и сортирал информацията от писмата кой знае колко. А това е информацията от един друг българин, който се оказа, че също е търсил информация за същия този мод:



"ARMS, EQIUPMENT and TACTICS of
the MEDIEVAL BULGARIAN ARMY


The medieval Bulgarian army was diverse, highly influenced by Byzantium and yet retaining much from the original Bulgar and Slavic traditions and armor/weapons crafting, tactics and troop types.
As with the First Bulgarian Tzardom (Empire) the primary and most potent weapon of the army was the cavalry, both light and heavy. Bulgarians were traditional horsemen and even during the Second Tzardom riding and fighting from a horse was highly developed by the Bulgars.


I. Cavalry, 1200-1400
Heavy: The heavy Bulgar cavalrymen usually wore a chain mail with either short or long sleeves, usually on top of which lamellar or scale armor. Another option was a hard leather breastplate with steel or iron plates tied in. By the XIIIth century Bulgarian cavalry armor could include kneecaps, elbow guards, shoulder-pads and knee-pads made from iron, bronze or steel.
Helmets were usually the traditional Bulgarian type of the conehelm which featured an aventail. Though not so common, versions resembling the sallet were used, as well as chain mail masks.

The shields used remained mostly of the large round type and a Bulgarian type resembling the western-European kite shield. Bulgar shields were made tough wood covered by hard leather, sometimes with additional metal “ribs” for added strength. Some shields had a spike, allowing them to be used as a weapon.

The horses of the heavy cavalry may have a decorative plate protecting their head and their neck was protected by a “belt” of hard leather or mail. Sometimes the area around the saddle was protected by chain mail and/or a leather veil. Still, protection for the horses was usually limited to the head and neck.
Weapons of the heavy cavalry included a sword, composite bow (with a quiver of arrows) and a long spear. The traditional flag- the horsetail on the spear- was almost entirely replaced by Christian flags. Another traditional weapon, the sabers, though not uncommon was largely replaced by the sword. The spears and arrows featured different types of points.
The clothes, traditional Balkan, consisted of strong long leather boots, linen/wool shirt (sometimes with a skirt) with long sleeves and leather pants. The tsar usually wore red clothes with gold decoration under or over the armor.


Light: Light Bulgarian cavalry was very similar to the heavy in overall appearance. The armor of the horsemen was lighter, comprised of scale or chain mail reaching to the waist or hips, shield and helmet. Light cavalrymen carried a long wooden spear, a sword or a saber and a bow. Horses lacked protection.
Later Bulgarian auxiliary horsemen (c.XIVth century) wore a long gown over their armor.


Tactics: The cavalry had always been the hammer of the medieval Bulgarian army. Still, it wasn’t used only in open-field charges. Bulgars made good use of ambushes and deception. At the Battle of Adrianopole, on the 14th April 1205 allied cuman riders lured Baldwin’s crusaders out of their camp. After a prolonged chase the crusaders were drawn to pre-made ditches and trenches and were suddenly charged by the Bulgar heavy cavalry on the left and light cavalry from the right. The crusaders were crushed, losing more than 350 men and Emperor Baldwin was captured along with many nobles. Boniface of Montferrat was also ambushed, along with 500 knights on the 4th September 1207 and killed.

A major achievement was, largely unknown in the west, defeat of the Tatars (Mongols) by the Bulgarian peasant (according to others- small bolyar, noble) Ivailo, who led a peasant rebellion against the tsar and the Tatars in 1277. He gathered the population and cattle into the network of Bulgarian fortresses and after draining the Tatars with starvation led the armies (by that time many of the tsars troops had joined him) and defeated them in several large battles. Though Bulgaria remained a vassal of the khan, the Tatars didn’t invade again, though later on many were used as mercenaries.
Allies: The early years of the Second Bulgarian Tzardom, up to the 1260’s, saw the use of many cuman mercenaries. At the time of tsar Kaloyan the cumans in the Bulgarian army reached more than 14 000. Still, they were by no means a predominant part of the army (which according to historians reached more than 100 000 men at the period) and their influence tends to be exaggerated by modern western historians, sometimes claiming that the entire Bulgar army was of vlachs and cumans. After the Tatar invasion of northern Rumania in 1230’s large parts of the cumans immigrated to the southern parts of Bulgaria and were gradually assimilated.


II. Infantry, 1200-1400

Bulgarian XIIIth century infantry wore chain mail armor, usually reaching to the waist or hips and with either short (more common) and long sleeves.
More heavily armored infantrymen wore a hard leather corselet and scale or lamellar armor in addition to the chain mail. Additional armor protection was provided by bracelets, greaves and elbow guards in the late XIVth century.

Helmets were a variety of traditional conehelmets, modified European bascinets and Byzantine style helmets, with the first being the most common.

Bulgarian conehelms lacked nose guards and had an aventail. The helmet was usually decorated with a feather.
The most popular shield was the round, but by the XIIIth century Bulgarians had also adopted the kite shields which were preferred over the triangular Byzantine ones.

Weapons of choice were usually swords, but also included axes and maces. Bulgar infantrymen also carried a dagger in battle. An interesting fact is that at the Battle of Adrianopole in 1205 the Bulgarians used hooks to take down the heavily armored crusaders from their horses.

Archers: Archers were more lightly armored, usually only with a chain mail corselet and a helmet. They were armed with a composite bow, dagger and a sword.
In the XIIIth century the Bulgarian army was among the best equipped and trained armies in Eastern Europe, especially during the reign of Yoan Asen II. The relatively peaceful years allowed to fully equip the army.

After prolonged wars in the late XIVth century, and the fracture of Bulgaria to several small stardoms and despots (there were three large in Moesia but more, smaller in Thrace) the Bulgarian army was transformed- a relatively small, elite and well equipped fighting force maintained by the tsar and the bolyars (nobles) and a poorer equipped force assembled by the peasants in times of war.
The previously “enormous” armies were now reduced to several thousand to several tens of thousand soldiers. In fact, ethnically the bulgars were numerous (some 1.5mln in the late XIVth century), but the fragmentation of the country severely weakened it.
Armors and weapons remained largely unchanged in appearance, though a larger part was now made from steel rather than iron. The later part of the XIVth century is regarded as the “Second Golden Age” for Bulgarian art, including armor and weapon crafting."


За всеки случай ще ти пратя неговия файл, който има и няколко картинки, но е около 3,5 МБ и не знам дали ще можеш да го получиш...
Та, общо взето, това е засега. Напоследък съм и доста зает, та съвсем я позанемарихме работата!


Едит: А за музика по принцип, смятам, че не би бил лош избор и например нещо на Исихия или пък страхотната музика на (BG) играта Knights of Honor, макар и да не е толкова нахъсваща...

[BAGA_TUR]

Има едно парче дето ми даде pop69 я го чуйте

Хм.. Това парче, според мен, нямя да звучи добре за фон..


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[gogo t]

Хм.. Това парче, според мен, нямя да звучи добре за фон..

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Ми аз затова писах, кои ще вкарам и коя съм пробвал ! А следобет ще пусна едно клипче за да се види как е фона ! Битка c/y Златната орда,
Опълченците прогониха единия отряд от Тежката кавалерия :lol: :lol: (след няколко минути бой )
А мисля Технитарите да ги прекръстя на мечоносци. Причините ги пише на 2ра стр.

http://files.filefront.com/bg_vs_ghwmv/;5261637;;/fileinfo.html

1 значи, качествонто е като на предишния !
2 Музиката съм я добавил след това с Moviemaker, защото както казах съм Вкарал в играта само песента на елит ( нея всички я искат ) а др. сега ги вижте и преценете ! Не се сменят мнго плавно ама не съм от 20century fox
Гледайте внимателно как един селянин гони 3-4 души от тежката кавалерия на З.О. :sm100: така е било и някога :mhehe:

[etx]

Ще изпратя снимките,трябва ми малко време,защото са на един диск който е някаде из къщи,но трябва да го намеря.
А между другото ще ти пратя и няколко бойни маршове,наши си.

А също се присетих и нещо интересно,тъй наречените войнуци,това е население от второто царство,подлежащо на военизация,наричани са войнуци,дори те остават и по турско,запазвайки задачите си.Мисля,че е ясно,войнуци си значи войници.

[pop69]

То май това по-става за питане към Рим-тоталната война,но да знаете нещо повече за мода към Варварската инвазия-Byzantium Total War .
Как може да се намери и инсталира.Там има Българското царство и може да се играе с него.
А за музиката към Българският мод на МТW мисля ,че не трябва да се вкарват маршове или песни, които не са свързани с периода освен Елит.Маршът велик е нашият войник ми напомня клетвата ми, която беше пълна трагедия.Или пък играя играта и някой примерно ме сцепи от бой под звуците на тази тема.Мисля, че музиката към мода трябва да бъде независима и с концепция за времето си.
А аз правя мод на Депеш мод-майтап.

[gogo t]

То май това по-става за питане към Рим-тоталната война,но да знаете нещо повече за мода към Варварската инвазия-Byzantium Total War .
Как може да се намери и инсталира.Там има Българското царство и може да се играе с него.
А за музиката към Българският мод на МТW мисля ,че не трябва да се вкарват маршове или песни, които не са свързани с периода освен Елит.Маршът велик е нашият войник ми напомня клетвата ми, която беше пълна трагедия.Или пък играя играта и някой примерно ме сцепи от бой под звуците на тази тема.Мисля, че музиката към мода трябва да бъде независима и с концепция за времето си.
А аз правя мод на Депеш мод-майтап.

А да, но когато те разбиват ще слушаш елит - маршовете са само когато се раздвижи войската ( докато не започне битката чуваш верик е .... )
Като започне мелето чуваш Елит а като свърши песента на елит и има още битка - Kingdom of heaven- а better man ! В началото на клипа музиката ( щракането ) е перфектна :tup: !
Велик е нашия войник е избрах заради звука с който зопочва ( Тръба или нещо наподобяващо тръба )
Днес четох за Мedieval 2 : Total war и мисля че няма да е проблем вкарването на България ( а и създаването на религия ! => ПБЦ може да се направи а и със него Historical coamp. - много битки с византия и т.н. още повече че имам филма за Аспарух и войниците няма да са проблем ! :tup: )
Да не се каня ама мисля да направя за 2та час МТW собствени щитове на единиците и оръжия от типа на куки който са ползвали при битката за Одрин ! Това няма да е проблем стига някаде да напишат туториал, за кото не се съмнявам !
Сега получих лично съобщение от dibo и прекръстих Тehnitari HA Strajnitzi !

[Nike]

Впрочем, за музика, особено преди битката при строяването на единиците, си струва да погледнете и сайта на Knights of Honor - Glorian е свършил страхотна работа, а пък е и българин, както и целия екип на BSS, де. Във флаш версията на сайта можете да слушате парчетата онлайн, а в Download -> Music пък можете да си ги дръпнете всичките.
Edit: Особено парчето Vulture's Lair...

[gogo t]

Mi merci mnogo no az kato gledam golqm interes nqma a i glavnoto e che sabrax nujanoto inf za da napravq nai-gotiniq mod za M2TW . Veche cheta tutoriali za 3d modeliraneto i t.n. Glavniq problem e che nemoga da napravq instal paketa

[Nike]

Etx, намери ли диска със снимките?

Edit: Още музика...

[etx]

До Nike и gogo t

Изпратих ви илюстрациите,не са кой знае какво,но все пак...
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