Конкурс/заигравка

[Gaden Gogi]

много ти кекави кулите,страните са по-дебели от челата, мореходност и артилерийска платформа: посредственни. утре и аз ще представя доработен проект..ако и сегашният ми също да е супер.

[De Ruyeter]

Английските тежки крайцерии леките класове Аретуза, Линдър имат 25мм кули, а саутхемтън 50.Но според теб са добре защитени!

[Gaden Gogi]

Че къде съм го написаш това???? и вместо да се заяждаш да беше прочел какво съм ти написал, а именно : ЧЕ ЧЕЛАТА СА ТИ ПО-ТЪНКИ ОТ СТРАНИТЕ НА КУЛАТА че и възклицателна ми написал, впрочем има пост посветен точно на тебе в темат за Спринга.
Иначе принципа "ние сме оакани, ама и вие дъхате" е типично шопски, 'що обаче не вземеш да сравни твоят с моя проект?

[De Ruyeter]

ето и още един много-много добър проект в рамките на 8400 тона и 9х203мм оръдия
Pensacola, US Navy heavy cruiser laid down 1927

Displacement:
8*065 t light; 8*405 t standard; 9*030 t normal; 9*530 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
535,08 ft / 524,93 ft x 49,21 ft (Bulges 55,77 ft) x 22,31 ft (normal load)
163,09 m / 160,00 m x 15,00 m (Bulges 17,00 m) x 6,80 m

Armament:
9 - 7,99" / 203 mm guns (3x3 guns), 255,24lbs / 115,78kg shells, 1927 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns (4x2 guns), 55,12lbs / 25,00kg shells, 1927 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
14 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns (7x2 guns), 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1927 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1927 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 2*764 lbs / 1*254 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
8 - 21,0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3,94" / 100 mm 377,30 ft / 115,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
Ends: 0,98" / 25 mm 98,43 ft / 30,00 m 8,43 ft / 2,57 m
49,21 ft / 15,00 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 111 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3,15" / 80 mm 2,76" / 70 mm 3,15" / 80 mm
2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 0,79" / 20 mm

- Armour deck: 2,36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 0,98" / 25 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 71*502 shp / 53*340 Kw = 32,00 kts
Range 10*000nm at 11,00 kts (Bunkerage = 1*126 tons)

Complement:
463 - 602

Cost:
£3,253 million / $13,013 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 353 tons, 3,9 %
Armour: 1*748 tons, 19,4 %
- Belts: 626 tons, 6,9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 341 tons, 3,8 %
- Armour Deck: 771 tons, 8,5 %
- Conning Tower: 9 tons, 0,1 %
Machinery: 2*257 tons, 25,0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3*707 tons, 41,1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 965 tons, 10,7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
7*704 lbs / 3*495 Kg = 30,2 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
Metacentric height 2,0 ft / 0,6 m
Roll period: 16,4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,88
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,07

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0,484
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,41 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26,32 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 27,89 ft / 8,50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 24,61 ft / 7,50 m (21,33 ft / 6,50 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 18,04 ft / 5,50 m (16,40 ft / 5,00 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Stern: 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Average freeboard: 19,29 ft / 5,88 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 110,4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 102,3 %
Waterplane Area: 17*635 Square feet or 1*638 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 110 lbs/sq ft or 537 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,92
- Longitudinal: 2,12
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

[Gaden Gogi]

И кое точно му е много-много-мнооого доброто, че да не се чудим.
Като изключим че никой не чете това което съм обяснил в темата за Спринага, но ще повторя и тука: ИДИОТСКО Е КРАЙЦЕР ДА ИМА ПРИЗМАТИЧЕН КОЕФИЦИЕТ ПО-МАЛКО ОТ 0,5. но понеже явно си говоря на вятъра и тук просто си играем с програмката ето ви нещо което ще изнсили тотално всичките ми изгъзици:

Уродино, UK CA laid down 1927

Displacement:
8*128 t light; 8*415 t standard; 9*019 t normal; 9*502 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
428.48 ft / 410.11 ft x 49.21 ft (Bulges 77.43 ft) x 33.14 ft (normal load)
130.60 m / 125.00 m x 15.00 m (Bulges 23.60 m) x 10.10 m

Armament:
8 - 7.99" / 203 mm guns (2x4 guns), 220.46lbs / 100.00kg shells, 1927 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 4.02" / 102 mm guns (4x2 guns), 26.46lbs / 12.00kg shells, 1927 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
48 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (6x8 guns), 1.32lbs / 0.60kg shells, 1927 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 2*039 lbs / 925 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 90

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.51" / 140 mm 279.53 ft / 85.20 m 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 105 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 3.94" / 100 mm

- Armour deck: 3.15" / 80 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 70*403 shp / 52*521 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 10*000nm at 11.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1*086 tons

Complement:
462 - 601

Cost:
£3.080 million / $12.321 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 299 tons, 3.3 %
Armour: 1*930 tons, 21.4 %
- Belts: 831 tons, 9.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 258 tons, 2.9 %
- Armour Deck: 785 tons, 8.7 %
- Conning Tower: 55 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 2*222 tons, 24.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3*677 tons, 40.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 891 tons, 9.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
8*071 lbs / 3*661 Kg = 31.6 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
Roll period: 21.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.26
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.27

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.300
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.30 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.58 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 35.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Forecastle (30 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m (19.69 ft / 6.00 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Stern: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 21.06 ft / 6.42 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109.4 %
Waterplane Area: 13*476 Square feet or 1*252 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 121 lbs/sq ft or 589 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.81
- Longitudinal: 6.67
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[De Ruyeter]

И защо да уродлив?Корабът си е супер!

[Gaden Gogi]

А ето и още по-по-по-най-добрият крайцер, по добър от Уродино, мечтат на съветофила, клецащият линкори, дами и господа:
Квазимото,
UK CA laid down 1927

Displacement:
8*131 t light; 8*400 t standard; 8*972 t normal; 9*430 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
315.95 ft / 295.28 ft x 32.81 ft (Bulges 81.86 ft) x 43.31 ft (normal load)
96.30 m / 90.00 m x 10.00 m (Bulges 24.95 m) x 13.20 m

Armament:
8 - 7.99" / 203 mm guns (2x4 guns), 176.37lbs / 80.00kg shells, 1927 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
18 - 4.02" / 102 mm guns (6x3 guns), 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 1927 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
48 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (6x8 guns), 1.32lbs / 0.60kg shells, 1927 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 1*871 lbs / 849 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 80

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 234.25 ft / 71.40 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 122 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 3.94" / 100 mm 5.91" / 150 mm
2nd: 1.18" / 30 mm 0.59" / 15 mm -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -

- Armour deck: 4.33" / 110 mm, Conning tower: 9.06" / 230 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 82*798 shp / 61*767 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 10*000nm at 11.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1*030 tons

Complement:
460 - 599

Cost:
£3.403 million / $13.614 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 340 tons, 3.8 %
Armour: 1*798 tons, 20.0 %
- Belts: 724 tons, 8.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 471 tons, 5.3 %
- Armour Deck: 518 tons, 5.8 %
- Conning Tower: 84 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 2*614 tons, 29.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3*380 tons, 37.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 841 tons, 9.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4*309 lbs / 1*955 Kg = 16.9 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.00
Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 35.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.23
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.300
Length to Beam Ratio: 3.61 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.86 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 77 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 35.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29.53 ft / 9.00 m
- Forecastle (30 %): 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Stern: 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Average freeboard: 22.95 ft / 7.00 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 121.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 55.9 %
Waterplane Area: 6*468 Square feet or 601 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 118 lbs/sq ft or 579 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.70
- Longitudinal: 25.91
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

И защо да уродлив?Корабът си е супер!

Ами ако беше прочелкаквото съм написал щеше да разбереш. Айде раздавай се на Квазимото, той е още по-по-най.

[De Ruyeter]

на мен моите ми харесват

[Gaden Gogi]

Я си пеем , те си мучат.

[De Ruyeter]

на японски крайцери - тежките съотношението ширина :дължина е 10-11 към едно

Предлагам да направим нов конкурс за проект със селедните параметри:
Лек крайцер 5500 тона стандартно;
главен калибър не по-малко от 6 оръдия 140-155мм, година на постройка - 1935, скорост минимум 32 възла.Далечина 5-7000 мили при 10-12 възла .

[Gaden Gogi]

на японски крайцери - тежките съотношението ширина :дължина е 10-11 към едно

и като резултат корпусите им са чупливи. страшен пример.

[De Ruyeter]

Ето моят Атланта:
Atlanta, US Navy light cruiser laid down 1935

Displacement:
5*347 t light; 5*536 t standard; 5*800 t normal; 6*012 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
468,87 ft / 459,32 ft x 45,93 ft x 19,69 ft (normal load)
142,91 m / 140,00 m x 14,00 m x 6,00 m

Armament:
6 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns (2 mounts), 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised guns
8 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns (4x2 guns), 62,50lbs / 28,35kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 1*178 lbs / 534 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
6 - 21,0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 331,36 ft / 101,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 111 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2,76" / 70 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 2,76" / 70 mm
2nd: 0,39" / 10 mm 0,39" / 10 mm 0,98" / 25 mm

- Armour deck: 2,36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 0,39" / 10 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 57*430 shp / 42*843 Kw = 32,00 kts
Range 7*000nm at 10,00 kts (Bunkerage = 476 tons)

Complement:
332 - 432

Cost:
£2,745 million / $10,981 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 147 tons, 2,5 %
Armour: 1*245 tons, 21,5 %
- Belts: 473 tons, 8,2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 137 tons, 2,4 %
- Armour Deck: 632 tons, 10,9 %
- Conning Tower: 3 tons, 0,0 %
Machinery: 1*632 tons, 28,1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2*324 tons, 40,1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 453 tons, 7,8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
5*494 lbs / 2*492 Kg = 51,3 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 1,0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
Metacentric height 1,8 ft / 0,6 m
Roll period: 14,2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,73
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,06

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0,489
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24,49 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m (19,69 ft / 6,00 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Stern: 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Average freeboard: 18,47 ft / 5,63 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 110,5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114,6 %
Waterplane Area: 14*467 Square feet or 1*344 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 86 lbs/sq ft or 419 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,90
- Longitudinal: 2,53
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

никой крайцер не се е пречупил.По време на тайфун им са се разшили шевовете и после за заменили заварката с нитове и са им монтирали були

[Gaden Gogi]

Вярвай си, и продължавай да си ги правиш с есмински корпуси.аз се отказвам акъл да ви наливам..

[Odzava]

Ето постнах си коригирания Чихая. Гога, за краищата на пояса не бях разбрал че е общо. Амна и така да е пак не ми трябва много броня. А и моя е най-евтин ако не смятаме есминеца-крайцер на Пламен.
И си има авиация, а вашите са малко "слепи"
За следващите проекти е хубаво да постваме и критерии за оценка. Иначе всеки си харесва неговото. А на практика са едни и същи непрокопсаници.

Вярвай си, и продължавай да си ги правиш с есмински корпуси.аз се отказвам акъл да ви наливам..

Господ се отказа да ни налива с мъдрости. Отивам да си направя малък чуплив крайцер за унищожаване на чужди леки корита

[Gaden Gogi]

Ами прави си, Господ е единственният от участващите в темата с инженерно образование, опита се по няколко начина да обясни че това което някой са скалъпили е абсурдно, ама въпросните някой едно си знаят и едно си баят. Дори два примера ви направих за целта: Уродино и Квазимото с характеристики правещи всико останало да изглежда смешо, абсурдни кораби но добре изглеждащи, е никой не вдява какво му говоря, а по отношение на самолетите: твоят също нямаше самолети, пък и въпросните добринасят много малко или никак през войната.